>> chris: i'm chris wallace. president biden makes a dramatic break with the past four decades in washington, calling for a new era of big government. ♪ ♪ >> president biden: we got a lot more to do. it's why propose the american jobs plan. >> chris: the president proposes spending trillions of dollars on health care and child care, community colleges, and infrastructure. >> president biden: it's a once in a generation investment america. >> chris: we will sit down with one of the president's top economic advisors, cecilia rouse, a member of his family 'his cabinet, only on "fox news sunday." then... speak of these plans aren't about grading options and plucks ability for america, they were about imposing a vision. >> chris: republicans argue the biden plan will drive the economy down and inflation up.

we will talk with louisiana senator bill cassidy, a member of the gang of ten trying to find common ground in the senate. plus... >> hear me clearly, america is not a racist country. >> chris: senator tim scott's comments farce dominic spark a fierce debate as republicans take on a proposed curriculum for the nation's schools. we will ask our sunday panel about the new culture war in education. and our "power player of the week," the first college athlete to make money off her personal brand. all right now on "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪ >> chris: and hello again from fox news in washington. it was 40 years ago when ronald reagan told the nation government is not the solution to our problem, government is

the problem. ever since, presidents both republicans and even democrats have played down the role of big government until now. president biden is pushing $4 trillion in new spending and almost that much in new taxes. what happens to his plans over the next few months will tell us a lot about where our nation is headed. in a moment we will speak with one of the president 's top economic advisors, cecilia rouse. but first, let's turn to mark meredith in wilmington, delaware, with the latest on prospects for the president's ambitious plans. mark. >> chris, president biden insists the country can afford to spend trillions and trillions of dollars but republicans are upset with more than just the price tag here. they argue the white house is trying to expand government bureaucracy for decades to come. >> president biden: we are way behind the rest of the world right now. >> president biden says if the u.s. is to compete globally,

congress should spend trillions of dollars rebuilding roads, fighting climate change and addressing poverty. >> president biden: certain things on the government can do. we were ranked number eight in the world for number infrastructure for god sake. >> on top of infrastructure spending the white house once a additional $1.8 trillion to fund universal preschool, two for years of community college and more on employment benefits. republicans argue it's all a ploy to increase the government's role in americans daily lives. >> as government expense, our liberty contracts. >> i think many of these programs are designed to make the middle class dependent on government. >> even some democrats include west virginia senator joe mentoring are raising concerns with the growing price tag of the president 's proposals. still the white house believes a deal with a closely divided congress as possible. the president plans to sit down with congressional leaders from both parties at the white house later this month. while congress negotiates this week, president biden is going to be back out on the road trying to convince taxpayers to

support the spending plan, making stops in virginia and louisiana this week. chris. >> chris: mark meredith traveling with the president in delaware. mark, thank you. and joining us now, cecilia rouse, chair of the president of estevez council of economic advisors. let's start by putting president biden 'his plans in historical context, adjusting for inflation, the programs passed during the new deal cost $856 billion. recovery from the great recession in 2009 cost $1.8 trillion but in just over 100 days, president biden has proposed more than $6 trillion in new spending. you really want to spend more than six times what the nation spent to get us out of the great depression in the 1930s? >> ms. rouse: welcome i think, chris. let's be clear, the first part of what president biden was spending is the american rescue

plan. we are in an economic recession caused by a pandemic and that was critical support which went to families and businesses to help them get to the other side of the pandemic and even more important, it provided the funding for an effective and comprehensive vaccination rollout. it's because of those shots in the arm, it's because of the support the families and businesses have had that we started to see our economy come back. last week numbers suggest a growth in the first quarter, increased by about 6%. we see than unemployment insurance claims are coming down. so the first of that was to get us to the other side of the pandemic. the other two parts are about investing in our future. to put the spending in context is in the last four years we've been dis- investing from our economy and so what these plans do is they put -- would put money into the foundation of growth. those are infrastructure, research and development and innovation, education because we know human capital is support an

end yes, support the families need in order to be able to go work because allowing workers to go to work, increasing our labor supply, is also critically important for sustaining our economy and in return we remain the most competitive economy in the world. >> chris: but you take my point, it's six times what we spent in the new deal, it's three times what we spent for the great recession as you point out where the economy is right now. i want to take a look at that because the economy is doing pretty well, let's put up the numbers. gdp in the first quarter rose, as you said, at an annual rate of 6.4%. the unemployment rate has dropped from a pandemic high of 14.7% now to 6% and the federal reserve is keeping short-term interest rates near zero. with things going so well, why not trust the private sector to do its job and to keep the economy growing, people to get jobs, and get the country back on its way, do it by the private

sector, not the public sector? >> ms. rouse: so chris, first of all, this is not an either/or. those numbers reflect that we are just turning to come out of the recession. the numbers are eye-popping because of what we call base effect because they were so very low last year but we are not done yet. next week we will also get an employment report. i expect to see robust job gains but also expect we're going to remind ourselves that we are still seven or 8 million jobs down from where we were this time last year. so we are definitely on the move. this is an economy that's recovering. we are leading the world and that recovery but we are not done yet. >> chris: part of this, i think, ms. rouse, is a basic philosophical argument about what kind of a country we want to be. here is senate republican leader mitch mcconnell here this week. take a look. >> behind president biden's familiar face it's like the most

radical washington democrats have been handed the keys. and they're trying to speed as far left as they can possibly go before american voters ask for the car back. >> chris: president biden is saying that he wants government to pay for child care. he wants government to pay for preschool and not just for the poor, but for the middle class and it will be government that picks winners and losers. it's definitely an of country we want to have, ms. rouse? >> ms. rouse: we want to have a country that has robust growth, that is widely shared, and that is innovating for the future. what we are proposing here are for a government to step in in places where we know the private sector doesn't do so well. for example, i think we are the envy of the world in the speed with which the vaccinations, specifically those by pfizer and frontera

were rolled out, developed and rolled out of the past year. that was breathtaking, it's the reason why we are on path to get out of this pandemic in this recession. the basic research that was the backbone of the vaccine developments was funded by the government. we know that when it comes to risky investments, the private sector will not make them. we know that when it comes to goods for the private sector can't recoup all of the returns, the private sector doesn't fully invest, so the strategy here is to really create a partnership between the public sector and the private sector where for both sides to be making the investments that make the most sense so that we can really increase growth. we know that the investments -- when government invests in research, that crowds in the private sector. the private sector then builds on top of that. this is not either/or, this is both/end. >> chris: so there's not only big disagreement about the spending part of the biden plan.

there's also a sharp disagreement about how you're going to pay for it. i want to put up the combined u.s. corporate tax rates and when i say combined both the federal tax rates and the state corporate tax rates. take a look at this. as it stands now with the trump tax cuts, the u.s. is in the middle of industrial nations at 25.8%, but with the tax hike that president biden is proposing, the u.s. corporate tax rate would once again be the highest in the industrial world at 32.3%. ms. rouse, how can you argue that that isn't going to hurt u.s. competitiveness in the corporate sphere? how can you argue that that isn't going to drive some u.s. businesses overseas? >> ms. rouse: i would say two things here. first is that president biden fundamentally believes that government can be very effective and is important and that we all

need to pay our fair share. and what we've seen over the past several decades is that the wealthiest americans, the big corporations, are getting wealthier and they are contributing less in terms of federal revenue. so the first point is to ensure that everybody pays their fair share, not to increase taxes on the middle class, not to increase taxes on anybody making less than $400,000 a year. the second point is the corporate tax rate is really being proposed do not even go back to where it was in 2017, just to have an increase. and i think what we can also see is that with the tax cuts that have happened in 2017 when we reduced the corporate tax rate so dramatically, we have not seen a similar increase in investment and incorporate competitiveness, so president biden is really saying what, everyone should pay their fair share and yes, internationally we don't want to be disadvantaged, so he is also working with other countries so that we have a minimum tax internationally so that there's not a race to the back --

>> chris: ms. rouse, don't you think that we are going to be less competitive if we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world as opposed to in the middle of the industrial world? doesn't that just necessarily say we've become less competitive? >> ms. rouse: so we don't -- of course we don't want to, you know, hamper u.s. competitiveness. to the contrary. the idea is to ensure that corporations are paying their fair share, to button up some of the loopholes which have been really not -- which have meant that corporations were actually putting more money offshore come off of u.s. oil and having a global minimum tax so that we are working with our trading partners, working with the rest of the world so that corporations are paying their fair share worldwide. we do not want to be hamper incorporations but we do want to make sure they are paying their fair share as well. >> chris: then there is inflation. orma treasury secretary larry summers, who was an advisor both

to president bill clinton and to barack obama, says this, and let's put it up. "there are already labor shortages in food services and retail. we are already seeing spikes in the price of lumber and housing" and i can add to that we are also seeing spikes in the price of meat and used cars. can you guarantee with all the spending that we are not going to have a new round of overheating the economy and serious inflation? >> ms. rouse: these are very serious concerns and we know that coming out of an extremely deep recession that they're going to be bumps along the way. so we expect that there have been supply chain disruptions that will cause some transitory increases in prices. we know that there are some places where employers are struggling to find workers because, let's face it, we are still in the middle of the pandemic. some workers would like to go back to work but they don't have child care, their schools are not open, and the pandemic is

still out of control in certain parts of our country. so when we get to the other side of this pandemic, i fully expect that our labor market will come back and be flourishing. that said, we do expect some transitory price increases. the fed expects that as well. we do not see evidence that at the moment those are -- have become what we call deanchorred so we were expect runaway inflation but that said we know we have to be vigilant and we are watching the data but for the time being we expect at most transitory inflation, that is what we expect coming out of a big recession. >> chris: i have less than a minute left and i want to ask you one strategy question. there are reports that the president is willing to break up, particularly the infrastructure plan, into chunks to get at least some of it passed with bipartisan support and that senate democrats are saying slow, steady, and piecemeal. as a matter of strategy, is the president willing to break infrastructure into various pieces and overall, is he willing to settle for

considerably less than the $2.25 trillion? >> ms. rouse: what the president has said is what's really important, is that we act now. inaction is not an option. and so he is willing to work with congress, he's open to many ideas, but he believes fundamentally we need to be making these kinds of investments in our country. we need to be, you know, stoking and supporting the kind of innovation that we need to in order to address existential threats such as climate change. we need to be investing in our people and we need to be rebuilding infrastructure, so the president has said we need to be making these investments, we've been dis- investing over the past 40 years. what's not an option is inaction and he's open to working with all members of congress to make that happen. >> chris: ms. rouse, thank you, thanks for your time, please come back. up next we will get reaction from republican senator bill cassidy, member of

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but is that possible considering he and republicans are trillions of dollars apart? joining us now from louisiana, bill cassidy, a member of the gang of ten senate republicans looking for a deal. senator, you just heard my conversation with cecilia rouse, your reaction? >> senator cassidy: there's a lot in there which is easily disputed. she talks about big government being essential to vaccine development. pfizer did not take federal dollars, for example, to get that vaccine. it was the trump administration and congress even regulatory flexibility. i would argue as the era of big government coming back will thwart the progress many jamaican i think we can see recent history about how that is exactly true. >> chris: let's look though at some of the key provisions in the president's jobs plan and in his family's plan and i want to put them up on the screen. $100 billion for workforce development, $400 billion to care for the elderly and

disabled, $225 billion for child care and $200 billion for free preschool. senator, which of those programs that i just put up, which of those programs do you think people in your state don't need? >> senator cassidy: everyone of those programs should be evaluated, if it's important, it should be advanced. it's not infrastructure. when people say wait a second, i like this because we need a new bridge across the river in lake charles, i'm saying this plan will not give it to you. the amount of spending for roads and bridges is so low and split between 50 states over five years, you're not going to get your bridge. if we may need this -- by the way, we just are restarting our bipartisan working group to come at family support for the dependents, children and elderly, but that is not going to give you a road and bridge and that's what people in my state would really like to see. >> chris: yeah, but i guess the question is -- and you know,

we could argue, and i have back-and-forth with forth with both sides about infrastructure, but there are a lot of programs that aren't infrastructure and the question i'm asking you is would you support the government paying for them? i looked into it. in your state of louisiana, the rate of child poverty is 25%, one in four of the children in louisiana are in poverty and according to the white house, 42% of residents in louisiana do not have access to child care, so don't they want -- wouldn't they benefit -- forgot whether it's infrastructure or not, wouldn't they benefit from these government programs? >> senator cassidy: so i don't know if they would. if you think about the main driver of elevating out of poverty, it's good education. what we saw in the pandemic was teachers unions keeping schools shut even when the centers for disease control said it was safe to go back. the president wants to give

universal pre-k run through the same teachers unions. if you're in chicago and there's more money going to the school system then the unions and they still want open, not because the cdc says it's not safe but because they don't want to? your kids are not going to have a better education. they are just not. if so whether or not these programs benefit those who need it, we don't know, because it's going through a system which is so poorly served these same folks we wish to help. >> chris: as i talked about with ms. rouse, there's not only a disagreement about spending, there's also a disagreement about how you are going to pay for it and one of the main republican objections to the biden plan is it would undo much of the term tax cuts, but i want to take a look at those tax cuts. according to the tax policy center, the average first year tax cut for a household making less than $25,000, the average

tax cut was just $60. the average tax cut for a household making $3.4 billion was $193,000 and contrary to talk that it will pay for itself, the trumps tax cuts are now projected to add $1.5 trillion to the deficit over ten years. senator, of the 2 million tax filers in louisiana, only 14,000 of them were paying more, filing gross income of more than $500,000. so what's wrong with raising the top tax rate to where it was during the bush 43 and obama administrations in order to help the working and middle-class? >> senator cassidy: if all you do is look at first-degree effects, chris, you could make a point like that, it sounds just like president biden speaking to congress. i'm not accusing you, i'm just pointing that out. if you look at the overall effect, the aspiration of this

biden administration is to return to the economy we had before covid one we had record low on in plymouth, which means record high employment for african-americans, veterans, women, hispanics, the disabled, high school dropouts with wage growth disproportionally in the lower quintiles of the income structure. that's where we were seeing the economy really help. that was all part of the tax cut and jobs act bill. you can't separate them. so if you want to say my gosh, these people are making more money, why don't we return and keep the tax cut and jobs act, that's the flip side of the question you're asking and i think that flip side is the part that should be emphasized. >> chris: but the argument is, and there certainly is some data to indicate that the trumps tax cuts benefited the wealthy and corporations more than they did the working and middle-class and i want to play a bit of what

president biden said to congress on wednesday. here he is. >> president biden: the americans jobs plan is a blue-collar blueprint to build america. that's what it is. [applause] >> chris: the president says that his plan is going to help the working and middle-class by making the corporations and the wealthy, people over $400,000 a year, pay more. what's wrong with that? >> senator cassidy: yeah, so if you raise -- academics would say if you raise taxes on corporations you have lower wages, you have less investment and you heard shareholders think pension funds. it's okay to have lower wages for working people, it's a blue-collar thing. if it's okay to have less investment it's a blue-collar thing. but if you want higher wages, if you want more investment, if you want more efficient deployment of capital, then it's anti-blue-collar. we saw under the tax cut and jobs act bill a blue-collar

working bill. investment, increased wages among the lower quintiles of americans with fuller employment. that's the recipe for success, not taking trillions and trickling it through democratic interest groups and hopefully some of it getting down to the folks that you know you want to help. >> chris: all right, so let's get to the bottom line here, senator. after talking to you and to cecilia rouse, you are part of this so-called "gang of 10" of more centrist, more moderate republican senators. there's also a gang of 10 democrats who are trying to work together to get a deal on infrastructure specifically but i suppose also on some of these family plans as well. given that you're so far apart, trillions of dollars apart in spending, even that your trillions of dollars apart and taxes, what are the chances for a deal here?

a bipartisan compromise deal? >> senator cassidy: first i'm going to push back, we got conservatives and progressives in our group, it's just that we are willing to speak. i think if the definition of moderate is what it traditionally is, it's better to say conservatives and progressives coming together to find common ground. now, in terms of being far apart -- >> chris: point taken. >> senator cassidy: if you're talking about a scope which is roads and bridges and internet and tunnels and airports and waterways, we can be pretty close. if you're talking about spending hundreds of billions of dollars to benefit public service unions, then we are far apart, so if we can agree upon the scope we can fix those bridges in louisiana and elsewhere that i would argue the administration needs to kind of be honest with the american people. if you really want roads and bridges, come more republicans already are. if you want to give us permission to do a lot of other stuff, well, that's a different

story. roads and bridges were a lot closer than you might think. >> chris: senator cassidy, thank you, thanks for joining us this weekend. it is always a pleasure to talk with you, sir. up next, we will bring in our sunday group to discuss the president's push for a return to big government. can he sell it in washington? ♪ ♪ this is andy, my schwab financial consultant. here's andy listening to my goals and making plans. this is us talking tax-smart investing, managing risk, and all the ways schwab can help me invest. this is andy reminding me how i can keep my investing costs low and that there's no fee to work with him. here's me learning about schwab's satisfaction guarantee. accountability, i like it. so, yeah. andy and i made a good plan. find your own andy at schwab. a modern approach to wealth management.

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>> president biden: it's time for corporate america and the wealthiest 1% of americans to begin to pay their fair share. >> with the guard to the direction of the by demonstration, so far i think the best way to describe is the biden bait and switch. >> chris: president biden making the case for raising taxes and pay for his big spending plans, and senate republican leader mitch mcconnell pushing back hard. it's time now for our sunday group. dana perino, coanchor of america's newsroom, and author of the new book "everything will be okay." polster and fox news contributor kristen soltis anderson and former democratic congressman harold ford jr. kristin, the white house has clearly made a calculation that in the wake of the pandemic and in the wake of the multitrillion

dollar bills that the republican senate and president trump signed, that there is a shift in public attitude about government programs. two questions, does the polling back that up, that shift in public opinion, is big government back to speak of the polling to show that americans slightly prefer more government with more services to a smaller government with less services but at the same time we are seeing twenty-year highs in terms of the percentage of americans who say they are dissatisfied with how government is working. it's a little bit of a "the food is terrible and a portion so small" dynamic going on where americans don't think the government is great at doing the things it's supposed to be doing but that doesn't necessarily mean they are looking to slash government. so democrats i think are in a somewhat precarious position because people do want to see things that will tangibly make their lives better. on the other hand, trillion

dollar big bill after big bill after big bill, it becomes too diffuse, too disconnected from what people are actually feeling in the realized and it just becomes huge numbers and headlines, that does present a real opportunity for republicans to harness that anxiety and bring back the energy against big government that we saw perhaps during the newt gingrich era or the rise of the tea par party. >> chris: dana, i want to pick up on exactly that point because republicans clearly think that they can portray democrats once again as the party of spend and tax, but it seems to me the biden plans are not bailing out wall street as obama did during the great recession, and they are not bailing out people on welfare as they did with lbj and the great society, so is it going to be -- when you see programs for child care or preschool or community colleges, is there going to be a harder case for republicans to make?

>> we will see. part of the things the republicans have to deal with right now is they need something to unify them in this bill, this infrastructure bill and the other planning like the american family plan, that actually could do that. one of the things that these programs unpopular, it's not by a lot, 54%, 55% say yes i think i would like that but when you start asking the second question of how is it going to be paid for, that gets a little bit more difficult. republicans have done something pretty smart on this i believe in putting forward the senator from west virginia who has already said i want to get a deal done, i'm here, here's a few options and she is on the phone and she wants to work at it under our have -- forget republicans getting on board, summary like a senator mark kelly and senator manchin, to name just a couple, they are already saying while matt, this might be too much, so i do think that while joe biden feels like the planets are uniquely aligned for him right now in terms of

people wanting to get back to work, the institutions for example the media into business on his side, people want the pandemic behind them might be the reason they feel like they need to get so much done so quickly but 2022 is definitel definitely -- in the mirror where it says objects are closer than they appear, that's what 2022 is right now for the democrats. >> chris: harold, as i discussed with cecilia rouse, a lot can go wrong when you're proposing big government. we saw with the obama stimulus the government always doesn't do a good job in picking winners and losers and there is that very real threat that larry summers talks about about overheating the economy and inflation. those could both blow up for the democrats. >> they could. good morning and thanks for having me on. i think a couple of things. i think back in the '80s during the cold war when we spent massively and spent in a smart way i thought, there were

democrats that didn't support that, there were more republicans who did supported. the internet came out of it, massive job and wealth creation came out of it for the country and we defeated our foe. we are organizing today around a new cold war, how do you go after china? i think that's what the president has to focus on if he's going to continue to win bipartisan support. he's not winning it in washington but he is certainly winning it among voters. they don't work for president who after 9/11 the country had to stand independence had to be part of any platform. here we are today, america is producing more energy product, petroleum products, than anywhere in the world. the next set of challenges is who can win the next energy production battle, can we beat china, can we beat asia? what do we learn from this pandemic, the fact that we don't have supply chains in america, are we making smart investments there? i was intrigued by senator cassidy's comments because he seemed open to some negotiation. that's something we hadn't seen in the last few years so i'm excited to see senator capito, senator cassidy and even equally excited to see senator manchin and senator sinema and kelly at

the table saying we've got to find a compromise here that makes sense and builds bipartisan support and makes this bill more sustainable. >> chris: i want to pick up on exactly the point about the international applications of that, the u.s. place in the world. here's another clip from president biden's speech to congress on wednesday night. >> president biden: we have to prove democracy phila works and we can deliver for our people. >> chris: kristen, i have to say, it sounds a bit like a poll tested line, but can president president biden use this argument, that this is a way of advancing the u.s. position in the world, this is a battle between democracy and autocracy and we have to show that democracy can deliver? >> i think -- again, as you noted, a very nice pole-tested line but it's also very 35,000 feet and again, i think in the midst of we are coming

out of the pandemic, we are still healing the economic damage of the last year, people's thoughts are not necessarily for 35,000-foot level, they are at the level their own homes and we talked earlier about, you know, the potential risk of inflation. inflation is is not something i've seen pop up a as a concernn polls during my entire career. it really hasn't been top of the polls during my entire lifetime and yet we are beginning to see folks say i'm worried about things like cost of living going up and so i do think that there's an outside risk here that if all of a sudden the economic policies put in place under president trump, which mind you, that was the one thing that actually was very good in the poll numbers for trump, people consistently said he thought it -- they thought he was doing a pretty good job on the economy, rolling a lot of that back, if that risks america's competitiveness globally and begins to hurt people in their own pocketbooks by cost of living going up due to inflation, that is some real pretension down such the path the biden administration is pursuing. >> chris: dana, you talked earlier about the 2022 midterms and even though we are only in,

what, the 2nd of may of 2021, obviously it's on people's minds in washington. i was in a briefing this week with senate democratic leader schumer and he said that he had been surprised by how effective bernie sanders' push for putting $1400 paychecks in people spot pockets -- not surprisingly supposed -- people like getting free money into his argument is if the democrats can make a difference in people's lives this year, that they are going to remember it in 2022. is he right? >> well, i mean, i don't know. there's a saying in washington, never mistake a referendum for a mandate and i think that -- ron klain, the chief of staff who i think is behind a lot of this big ambition, that he felt that obama just did not do enough and he didn't do it fast enough, that they want to get as much as they can, do as quickly as they can do it before they start to

settle in but i don't think it's just this issue, i think the inflation issue is very real but the house republicans didn't lose a single incumbent last year and they've got really good recruiting this time around and they've got something to push up against, that is going to be -- one, histories on their side, president usually loses members of his own party during that first midterm and don't forget -- the whole issue of the cancel culture wokeness of the democratic party which you had party veterans like james carville warning the democrats you are actually heading for a real bruising in 2022 if you keep this up. >> chris: well, that's where we are going next. panel, we have to take a break here but up next, the debate over federal government involvement in public schools. what should we teach kids about race? ♪ ♪ at t-mobile, we're committed to serving those who serve. as a nationally recognized military friendly employer,

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and they doubled down on this concept of liberal oppression. it is stunning in 2021 that those who speak about ending discrimination want to end it by more discriminations. >> chris: republican senator tim scott on reaction to his biden rebuttal this week, arguing the u.s. is not a racist country, and we are back now with the panel. harold, this tim scott have a point, that the left believes in choice except when it comes to freedom of thought and that what's particularly repugnant to the left is an african-american, even an african-american senator, who has a conservative point of view? >> probably some feel that way but unfortunately our politics today is a mindless tactic on both sides that suggest that if you disagree with someone, the way to beat them is to cancel them. i mean, the same progressives

who sought to cancel tim scott with those awful things being said on twitter remind me of mitch mcconnell and his 37 colleagues want to cancel out the 1619 project. i'm not afraid of ideas. i'm still a believer, i will never stop believing or give up on the fact that i can disagree with someone on policy and still like them and very likely learned something from them. the reason you have multiple biographies, the reason you have multiple pieces of work done on different episodes on people in history is because new things come to light, new things on earth. i'm not afraid of a perspective that i disagree with and it's a little surprising with senator mcconnell and others might be around 161919 project. shame on any progressive or any american, and a conservative who things the way you win an argument is politics is to cancel someone out. i've said it before, we got to be -- stop being so wimpish, let's be smarter and have a robust debate about the issues. >> chris: we are going to get

to the 1619 project and explain to folks who may not know what that's all about but i want to just pick up with you, dana, about tim scott and what happened to him this week. i mean, we've seen this before, one special target for the left is supreme court justice clarence thomas and this argument, if you're a black conservative, you must be a sellout. >> right. and i'm sorry, but his name is escaping me right now, but the attorney general of kentucky who gave that great speech of the republican national convention, he got it too, so it's one of those things that's like the left can sometimes march in lockstep, so can write and in this case i think you have a real problem because tim scott is a happy warrior, he doesn't communicate through grievance and anger. they are not quite sure how to attack them and i think it's pretty amazing just because of the attacks on tim scott -- he gave a good speech, especially rebuttal. i would always say no to those rebuttals because it is so hard to follow a president and yet tim scott was able to steal the show this week and he -- as a

person that is reticent to talk about himself, but when he's attacked like that, he will effectively push back and i think that one of the things the democrats don't realize that they are doing is that they are elevating this person who can really try to unify the republican party at a point when it could really use the [indiscernible]. >> chris: i want to turn to the issue that harold was talking about, another race issue this week and that was that more than three dozen republican senators led by mitch mcconnell sent a letter to the education department asking them to end a grant program in terms of what it's going to teach -- the curriculum it would push on the issue of race. the question i have for you, kristen, before we delve down more into this, are the culture wars, is that a smart area for republicans to double down on right now, and in the wake of george floyd and the protests

last summer, where is the country and the issue of race now? >> in terms of the politics of it, of course issues like the economy and health care tend to always rise to the top, much more so than what you might think of as these culture war issues. at the same time, it does send a signal from one side or the other that perhaps you are too extreme, you are too out of touch, that you don't necessarily understand what the average american is going through and if for instance parents are hearing, you know, my goodness, is my child's school separating out the white children and the children of color and teaching them different lessons and requiring them to view each other through the lens of race, that may not feel like progress. it doesn't see my progress to me and it's the sort of thing that certainly hits at home and can cause particularly parents to feel very anxious about what's going on in our country. in terms of where america stands on the overall conversation about race, you know, america's history is beautiful, it's wonderful, it's worth celebrating, but we are also an imperfect country. it's worth making sure that our children know about the mistakes that have been made, that we can

learn from those mistakes, and that's where americans tend to come down, that america is not a racist country as tim scott said, as jim clyburn and kamala harris followed up the next day, but also a country that's worth celebrating, but imperfect and we have progress still to make. >> chris: here was the response to the g.o.p. letter this week from education secretary miguel cardona, take a look. >> the reality is when we are discussing curriculum, the federal government doesn't really have a role in the curriculum development. >> chris: harold, the argument is about the fact -- and let's put it in context. it's about a $5 million grant program in the education department that has a budget of $74 billion, so we shouldn't overstate, but what they are upset about is that the grant program was for school districts, to give them money if they would set curriculum that were more antiracist grade

nothing wrong with that, obviously but it did mention the 1619 project, which was something started and pushed by "the new york times" which has a revisionist history of the country on race, so what you make of this controversy? >> look, i think when we are -- unfortunately i think some of the republican party are trying to find ways to unite and unify and this may be one of those issues but like i said, i'm not afraid of more perspectives being shared and if the school district doesn't want to take the money, they don't have to. again, i think that tim scott was precisely right -- >> chris: let me just interrupt for a second. harold, let me just interrupt for a second because the specific thing they are upset about, that they've talked about, is that the 1619 project argues that the revolutionary war was fought so the south could keep their slaves and a lot of people thought no, it's really fought to flo throw off e

yoke of british colonialism, so can you understand why people would be upset by that? >> sure. i'm not seeing if i were a school district superintendent i would take the money, i'm always saying that that option is there and i would assume there are other being taught and shared around this very issue. eric bonner, who has written i think brilliantly about this era and about the second founding of our country, i hope that kids learn all of these perspectives, and you asked a question leading into the segment, what more do we talk about race? i hope we talk a lot more about it constructively. >> chris: thank you. thank you, panel, see you next sunday. up next, our "power player of the week," the first college athlete to profit offer image, showing others how they can too. [typing sounds] [music fades in] [voice of female] my husband ben and i opened ben's chili bowl the very same year that we were married. that's 1958. over the years, ben's became a gathering place

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merchandisers, and broadcasters, but not themselves. how do you feel about college athletes finally getting to benefit from big-time college sports? >> i could not be more excited. it's american, right? it's american to be able to get out there, to make your own brand and to capitalize off of that. that's when an idea hit me. >> chris: it happened almost by accident and only partially due to sports. mitchell gained a following as a do-it-yourself guru during the pandemic. >> i've decided to turned it into a shed. >> chris: sharing tiktok videos of how she turned her storage said into her own shed. >> one from this, to this. >> chris: the number of people following her blew up. >> one of my best friends texted me and was like "chloe, chloe, open up the app, look at this news that you're getting" and at the time i only had about 32 followers. >> chris: how many followers do you have an tiktok? >> i have 2.7 million followers.

>> chris: more followers meant more sponsors asking her to plug their products. >> i was pretty tired after this so i grabbed my smart guy. >> chris: but mitchell faced a choice heading into her freshman year as an athlete at a college in michigan. >> if i keep working and making money off of tiktok, i will become ineligible to play my sport. >> chris: then a college athletic association, the naia, a smaller version of the ncaa, the domestic became the first to end the ban on college athletes making the money on there any ohmic image or likeness. mitchell made her first ad for golf shoes. may i ask a much they paid you? >> it was around three grand. >> chris: wow, pretty good! >> yeah. yeah, awesome. i'm paying for college, i paid for my car and my computer, so for me, that's great money. >> chris: and it sparked another idea and now mitchell internet have created called playbook, where she helps fellow college athletes find their own

sponsors. mitchell gets a small cut of each deal. >> if you are a collegiate, chris, you could look at the app and say oh, look at this, i have a kid who wants a video from me or you could get a message from a local business or maybe a national business saying hey, we would love for you to post on your instagram about us. >> [indiscernible]. >> ultimately it's an app that connects athletes to businesses and fans. >> chris: mitchell says the beauty of playbook is it's for any athlete, not just megastars. how big do you think playbook could become? >> chris, i think that one day playbook is going to be an app on every athlete and every [indiscernible]'s phone. they are going to leave college with money in their pocket. it's going to be a springboard for the rest of their life. i'm just super excited about all of it. >> chris: mitchell and her playbook team are now working with more than 250 college

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